2009 Monaco GP – Post qualifying weights

FIA published the post qualifying weights short while ago. Brawn cars are the heaviest ones among the front runners while Sebastian Vettel is very lightly fueled. Fisichella, Bourdais, Kubica and Glock are extremely heavy.

Jenson Button – 647.5
Kimi Raikkonen – 644.0
Rubens Barrichello – 648.0
Sebastian Vettel – 631.5
Felipe Massa – 643.5
Nico Rosberg – 642.0
Heikki Kovalainen – 644.0
Mark Webber – 646.5
Fernando Alonso – 654.0
Kazuki Nakajima – 668.0
Sebastien Buemi – 670.0*
Nelson Piquet – 673.1*
Giancarlo Fisichella – 693.0*
Sebastien Bourdais – 699.5*
Adrian Sutil – 670.0*
Lewis Hamilton – 645.5*
Nick Heidfeld – 680.0*
Robert Kubica – 696.0*
Jarno Trulli – 688.3*
Timo Glock – 700.8*

* – declared weights

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  1. RichNo Gravatar says:

    here are the weights in order from light to heavy maybe you can put in the post wolf

    1.Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull,kg 631.5
    2.Nico Rosberg, Williams, 642
    3.Felipe Massa, Ferrari,643.5
    4.Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 644
    5.Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 644
    6.Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 645.5
    7.Mark Webber, Red Bull, 646.5
    8.Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 647.5
    9.Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 648
    10.Fernando Alonso, Renault, 654
    11.Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 668
    12.Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 670
    13.Adrian Sutil, Force India, 670
    14.Nelson Piquet, Renault, 673.1
    15.Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 680
    16.Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 688.3
    17.Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 693
    18.Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 696
    19.Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 699.5
    20.Timo Glock, Toyota, 700.8

    • OsamaNo Gravatar says:

      great post, it shows that alonso is the heaviest driver among the top 10

      one extremely surprising observation is the Force India’s!!!
      they out qualified a BMW and a Toyota with much heavier fuel loads!! this shows how the field is close

      the Red Bull double diffuser, and as expected, wasn’t very useful here in Monaco, they inflated their quali position by light fuel load, not a very bad strategy in Monaco

      • JRNo Gravatar says:

        Good point. What the hell is wrong with BMW and Toyota this weekend? Or are Sutil and Fisichella just underrated drivers?

        • F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

          What the hell is wrong with BMW and Toyota this weekend?

          I am sure both BMW and Toyota would love to know the answer :-)

          • JRNo Gravatar says:

            I would actually like to retract that statement.

            In Q3, Glock was only 1.6 seconds slower than Button.

            Heidfeld only 1.1 seconds.

            I have not done the research, but as I keep saying, this is the most competive team of 20 in F1 history.

  2. JRNo Gravatar says:

    Hey F1W –

    A few questions and points. Don’t know if any can be answered, but I just wanted to set the framework for discussion.

    1) what is the per lap (full speed) gasoline usage – 2.8 kilos ?
    2) These are weights of the full package. i.e. car, driver, fuel load. (I suspect this is part of the reason fuel is measured by weight, not by volume)
    3) are there any published numbers or ideas about the cars’ and drivers’ weights?
    4) In other words, what is the real fuel load of the cars?
    5) We talk about heavy and light and very heavy and very light, but given the pit-strategies and pit-windows, is there really anything significant between say Button at 647 and Massa at 643?

    That difference could erased by a bowel movement. And I don’t say that to be crude.

    • F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

      I am not sure what the consumption is in Monaco. On normal tracks it is about 2.5 kg per lap, maybe here it will be somewhere in the region of 2 kg per lap

      Yes the weights are for full package – car + driver is 605 kg (that is the law), the rest is the fuel

      The difference between 647 and 643 would be 2-3 laps I think

      • JRNo Gravatar says:

        “car + driver is 605 kg (that is the law)”

        I’m not clear on this, so maybe you can lay it down here.

        Is that a minimum or a maximum?

        • F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

          from technical regulations:

          1.9 Weight :
          Is the weight of the car with the driver, wearing his complete racing apparel, at all times during the Event

          4.1 Minimum weight :
          The weight of the car must not be less than 605kg at all times during the Event.

  3. JRNo Gravatar says:

    Some follow on. My number of 2.8 kilos per lap was actually something I gathered from a commentator on TV at Barcelona. Most tracks are around 3.5 miles (sorry European fans, I convert everything to American, sucks for me with the kilos and kms). Monaco is only 2.075 miles.

    I’ll do the math soon.

    Anyway lets assume 2.5 kilos and a two stop strategy. At 78 laps, assuming no yellows (which is stupid), that’s rougly 26 laps times 2.5 or 65 kilos maximum. A one-stop strategy would be 100 kilos max. A three stop would be 50 kilos max.

    You would then have to provide data on cars’ performance at max and min weights over the couse of 20-40 laps whiloe taking into account tire wear and tire type.

    It seems this data is held very close and is the reason not even TV commentators can judge things going into the last corner.

  4. JRNo Gravatar says:

    Look at the heavy cars versus the light. The heavies almostt all went out Q1 or Q2, with the exception of Hamilton. Which means he was betting on gaining pole with a very light car.

    Clearly of the super-diffusers, Brawn is still the dominant car. Brawn is still the dominant car overall. The McClarens are holding their own simply because of driver skill (Hamilton’s crash not withstanding).

    The Ferraris are better than the McClarens. But then, the Ferrari drivers are the two best drivers in the sport.

    • F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

      Look at the heavy cars versus the light. The heavies almostt all went out Q1 or Q2, with the exception of Hamilton. Which means he was betting on gaining pole with a very light car.

      In Q1 and Q2 cars can run with whatever fuel load they want, so basically they run with low fuel. Only for Q3 the teams have to fuel them with the load they will use for the Sunday race. So cars that made it to Q3 start the race with whatever is left in their cars after qualifying. Cars that were eliminated in Q1 and Q2 can decide how much fuel they pump into their tanks.

      • JRNo Gravatar says:

        Thanks. I didn’t know that.

        So we’ll have to wait for an early crash in Q3 at some later date. :)

  5. nieuweNo Gravatar says:

    And then we get this in the News…. Latest on Hamilton

    Lewis Hamilton will start from last on the grid at Monaco. Photo / APMonaco Grand Prix
    MONACO – Lewis Hamilton says his hopes of defending the Formula One championship title ended overnight (NZT) at the Monaco Grand Prix – the same track that provided a dramatic victory on the way to last season’s overall win.

    Hamilton finished 16th in qualifying after sliding into the Mirabeau corner 11 minutes into the first qualifying session, but was demoted to last on the grid because his McLaren needed a gearbox change after the accident.

    A dejected Hamilton, who is already 32 points behind leader Jenson Button who took pole, hung his head as stewards removed his car before eventually returning to the garage.

    “We’re not challenging for the world championship. We’re challenging to improve our car and working towards getting as many points as we can collectively,” Hamilton said. “We’re a long way behind, and if (Button) keeps up his consistency, then he will be very tough to catch.”

    Hamilton will start from the bottom of the grid for the first time in his career – yet another setback in a season that has been littered with lows.

    “What can I say? I made a mistake and I hit the wall,” Hamilton said. “We have a tough race, and I’m just going to have to try and do the best I can.”

    Hamilton’s electrifying win last year on the rain-soaked streets of this tiny principality – when the British driver clipped a wall but still recovered to edge BMW Sauber’s Robert Kubica – was one of his most memorable victories on his way to becoming the sport’s youngest champion at 23.

    But this season has proved a much bigger challenge, on and off the track.

    Hamilton misled race stewards at Australia and Malaysia over an incident at Melbourne, an event that eventually saw the British team receive a suspended three-race ban. Chief executive Ron Dennis also left the team in the fallout.

    McLaren’s performance on the track has waned since the season-opener, although recent upgrades showed improvement, with Hamilton near the top of the practice timesheets at Monaco.

    Hamilton will be hoping that his KERS technology will provide enough of an overtaking boost so that he can work his way up the grid tomorrow at the F1’s most difficult overtaking circuit.

    “This track’s known for not being able to overtake, but we have KERS, so hopefully it will help us,” Hamilton said. “It will be a new experience for me. I’ll just try to stay out of trouble if I can and bring the car home in one piece.”

    – AP

    • JRNo Gravatar says:

      Hamilton is like a little girl. Alonso needs to smack him in the head. Or maybe Barrichello or Webber.

      This is F1. If you ain’t winning, STFU.

      • JRNo Gravatar says:

        I didn’t mean to imply little girls need to be smacked in the head. They do not.

        I Apologize.

        Hamilton needs to be smacked in the head. He is an F1 driver.

        I need to be smacked in the head as well. Preferrably by a little girl with a golf club.

  6. JRNo Gravatar says:

    Hamilton is a quitter. The real winner last year was Massa and everybody knows it.

  7. nieuweNo Gravatar says:

    If he’s not winning he’s sulking in the corner…


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