FOTA vs. FIA – Winner takes all likely to be deferred to 2010


FOTA has proven its usefulness – unlike FIA the FOTA members seem know what is written in the F1 Sporting Regulations and International Sporting Code (both written by FIA by the way).

Here is what FOTA says:

The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship.

Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport.

And here is the paragraph from the 2009 International Sporting Code that FOTA is referring to:


FIA published this press release as a response to FOTA:

On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA’s proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One Drivers’ Championship. The ‘winner takes all’ proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved.

If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010.

As the teams (and not only the teams) are clearly not happy there will likely be no changes to F1 point scoring system and the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system introduced in 2003 will remain in force for 2009 season.

I hope that FIA will not only defer the system but will also work with FOTA and think the whole idea through – all the cons and pros.

In any case, what a major screw up from those in charge …

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  1. […] Update: The winner takes all system may not be implemented from 2009 season after all – read here. […]

  2. psychyNo Gravatar says:

    you made my day :-)
    and for 2010, we will see…

  3. seskuNo Gravatar says:

    hahaha…stupid FIA bastard!!! i hope F1 apply fota suggestion of 12 9 7 point system.

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  4. bmwf1guyNo Gravatar says:

    This really should be embarrassing for the FIA although they are covering it with their heads down saying they thought FOTA wanted this. All of this anticipation of a new and improved points system screwed up by the win wins and then what? Nothing at all.

    Who are these people up there making decisions. If they worked for me I’d fire them in an instant.

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    • F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

      This is how Mosley explains it:

      “Bernie [Ecclestone, F1’s commercial rights holder] told me that he talked to all the teams and everybody was happy, I was led to believe they all agreed. The World Council was under the impression that they had all agreed.”

      Very lame excuse from Mr. Mosley. The teams agreed on their own proposal that they hoped to get approved by the WMSC …

  5. psychyNo Gravatar says:

    FOTA told them clearly what they wanted. they just didn’t give a…

  6. Jose ArellanoNo Gravatar says:

    so it is possible to adopt fota proposal now??

  7. TimmieNo Gravatar says:

    Unfortunately no, the FOTA point system can’t be adopted now as it had to be done at that meeting on the 17th as the FIA isn’t about to call in an emergency meeting for it.

    FIA continue to show that they live in their own little world that only gets visted by Bernie Ecclestone to let them know what is going on. All the publicity of what was said by the FOTA and their efforts made and the FIA come out saying oh we didn’t realise because Bernie said so….total joke and no excuse except they take whatever bernie says as literal.

    Thank christ that the point system is at least being restored to the original system, makes me much happier!

    Oh and on a side note – there was an article where Mosley spoke about the budget cap for next year and that the amount is provisional. Moslety himself wants it to be 25 million (idiot!) but his advisors have all told him that it should be higher…at least someone has half a brain there!!!! Lets see if over the coming months that they choose to listen to these advisors (and hopefully the FOTA too!) and we get a better system for 2010.

  8. KotenokNo Gravatar says:

    I was expecting something like that… When contester decides to join a championship or a league, also decides to agree the laws, rules and penalties which together compose the regulation book. That agreement is done when it enters, and any change in this regulation should be done through a new agreement, decides to keep the agreement or not, as beginning from zero.

    Well, directly in our situation, F1 teams may have paid their licenses and sums for entering the 2009 championship (maybe not all the drivers may have done the same, due the large discuss about the cost of their super-licenses). Anyway, this has more to do with teams than drivers, although this affects more drivers than teams :P
    Where I want to arrive is, there’s no way to change an agreement if the teams already paid their entrance to the 2009’s championship with the regulations which were stipulate that specific date. Any change to that regulation, should be through the agreement of the contesting teams accepting to take part in this next competition with such rules. And this has not been done… Or avoided by the FIA…. So, this not only works in the F1, this is conceptually one of the terms of any kind of contract form.

    Smart refuse using the statement in the sporting regulations, but not original at all.

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    • KotenokNo Gravatar says:

      But to me Mosley is more innocent than a 3rd degree school child, how he left himself caught in that new trouble??? Does anybody imagine which scandal would it be if the same refuse letter by all the teams was done just passed some races with some drivers with solid results? Or even if passed the half of the season, and a driver already close to be the champion should lose he’s opportunity because of that obvious mistake in the change of the points system? That would be a big scandal…

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  9. […] Please note, that these regulations will very likely be amended again before the season starts as the latest version published by FIA still includes the winner takes all rule, the rule that FIA is about the backtrack on. […]

  10. zblkhwkNo Gravatar says:

    These guys are loosing it. Three days before the first day of racing and they change the points scoring system, again. This is simply amazing! The disorganization and chaos at F1 is now out in the open.

    And I was just about to switch to Kimi for my pre-season prediction for champion…no way now. Kimi can’t stay focused for 17 races. That being said, I no longer think McLaren has the early pace to make Hamilton champion. With the elimination of testing during the season, I think it will be near impossible for them to regain form.

  11. […] FOTA members may not be too excited about the prospect of having 3 teams that are yet to show up for a F1 race potentially ruining their version of 2010 F1 season. But the fact is, Campos, Manor, USF1 as well as Williams and Force India are the 2010 entrants. (see also Mosley, FOTA and the other 2010 F1 teams – What is next ? ) Any changes to the published regulations simply will require agreement of all 13 teams. This would be the case with or without the letter sent by Max Mosley. We may never find out what was said and agreed on at that Mosley, Ecclestone, Montezemolo meeting thet led to the fragile peace between FIA and FOTA. I however tend to believe that FOTA members must have been aware of some rules that will have to be followed. (At the end FOTA knowing the rule book prevented FIA from imposing the winner takes all system for 2009 season.) […]

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