Comments on: Coulthard calls for refuelling ban, Gascoyne for testing ban http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html Formula 1 Blog from F1Wolf Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:28:13 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Black Zedd http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10137 Black Zedd Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:56 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10137 I don't think Coulthard is really concerned about the pitstop fire accidents when he suggested the ban. It rarely happens to warrant any big change in racing policy. We have to admit F1 races without the intense pit-stops strategies (tyre + refueling) will lead to less overtaking. And the race will be 90% decided during the qualification. Unless everyone drives like Massa and Hamilton. Black Zedds last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blackzedd/~3/361367628/case-studies-being-creative-capitalist.html" rel="nofollow">Case Studies: Being a Creative Capitalist</a> I don’t think Coulthard is really concerned about the pitstop fire accidents when he suggested the ban. It rarely happens to warrant any big change in racing policy.

We have to admit F1 races without the intense pit-stops strategies (tyre + refueling) will lead to less overtaking. And the race will be 90% decided during the qualification. Unless everyone drives like Massa and Hamilton.

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]]> By: Stew http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10120 Stew Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:07:23 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10120 Passing is where it's at in F1 and ways to improve passing is where it's at, but when I think of the re-fueling ban, I don't see an advantage for the fans. Pit strategy and the excitement revolving around fuel loads is exciting to me. As far as causing better racing on track, I don't see that either. The problem of passing is one: the circuits aren't designed for a lot of passing, and two, cars can't get close enough to pass because of lower downforce when their aero characteristics are gone. No re-fueling can't change physics. Actually, I think having cars equal on fuel loads would impede the ability to pass even more. What we need is passing in F1 whether it is done in the pits or on track. A it stands now, cars with lighter fuel loads than others have a better chance of passing than heavier cars and I don't want to take the one advantage to pass away from this sport. It's one variable I like. Passing is where it’s at in F1 and ways to improve passing is where it’s at, but when I think of the re-fueling ban, I don’t see an advantage for the fans. Pit strategy and the excitement revolving around fuel loads is exciting to me. As far as causing better racing on track, I don’t see that either. The problem of passing is one: the circuits aren’t designed for a lot of passing, and two, cars can’t get close enough to pass because of lower downforce when their aero characteristics are gone. No re-fueling can’t change physics.

Actually, I think having cars equal on fuel loads would impede the ability to pass even more. What we need is passing in F1 whether it is done in the pits or on track. A it stands now, cars with lighter fuel loads than others have a better chance of passing than heavier cars and I don’t want to take the one advantage to pass away from this sport. It’s one variable I like.

]]> By: Ben http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10111 Ben Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:31:45 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10111 I don't agree with neither Couldhardt or Gascoyne. I don't think a refueling ban would improve racing, as it would take away a lot of the interesting strategic shuffles, and can risk driving becoming more conservative and the cars slower at least in the early part of the race. Yes there may be more safety, but lets be honest isn't some of the danger, failure of parts, and strategies part of what makes F1 attractive and exiting? With no refuel loading you would elliminate the interesting guess work too of how much fuel the cars have onboard. I think that refueling bans would see the slower cars have much tougher time getting points, as they loose posible strategic advantage, and even if they conserve tires would likely be so far behind by the time a pittstop is needed that it wouldn't make much difference. It's an interesting idea, and I'm glad people think about ways to improve the sport though, I just don't agree with this change. I don’t agree with neither Couldhardt or Gascoyne. I don’t think a refueling ban would improve racing, as it would take away a lot of the interesting strategic shuffles, and can risk driving becoming more conservative and the cars slower at least in the early part of the race.
Yes there may be more safety, but lets be honest isn’t some of the danger, failure of parts, and strategies part of what makes F1 attractive and exiting?
With no refuel loading you would elliminate the interesting guess work too of how much fuel the cars have onboard.
I think that refueling bans would see the slower cars have much tougher time getting points, as they loose posible strategic advantage, and even if they conserve tires would likely be so far behind by the time a pittstop is needed that it wouldn’t make much difference.
It’s an interesting idea, and I’m glad people think about ways to improve the sport though, I just don’t agree with this change.

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]]> By: F1Wolf http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10103 F1Wolf Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:25:53 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10103 it all boils down to good old budget cap, that FIA loves talking about, but no one will ever be able to police it :-) it all boils down to good old budget cap, that FIA loves talking about, but no one will ever be able to police it :-)

]]> By: doctorvee http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10102 doctorvee Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:18:07 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10102 I wonder if Mike Gascoyne is calling for a testing ban simply because Force India is the team that can least afford to test... doctorvees last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/doctorvee/~3/361451082/" rel="nofollow">The 6 O’Clock News: “War? Not bothered”</a> I wonder if Mike Gascoyne is calling for a testing ban simply because Force India is the team that can least afford to test…

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]]> By: Kotenok http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/08/coulthard-calls-for-refuelling-ban-gascoyne-for-testing-ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-10097 Kotenok Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:26:41 +0000 http://www.f1wolf.com/?p=2005#comment-10097 Huh?¿?¿? Bring them back to the psychiatric hospital!!! Well, that's conformism because these cars remain slow even with full tank or with a continuous development day by day, just they're not driven by the right guys... Mr. Coulthard, a full tank could be allowed for running a whole race like a turtle, but I guess Mr. Paletti, Mr. Williamson or someone lucky as Mr. Lauda would like to say that running with a full tank is really unsafe, that's all I have to mention to it. Smaller tanks were introduced to limit the fuel capacity for safety means, reducing the time considerately which the car could burn to dust and also the thermal energy stored there. Response to Mr. Gascoyne (loser!). You were sitting in the best teams developing the cars with an enormous budget (did you forget the ages which you spent in Jordan, Renault or Toyoya), and now asking to reduce that efforts??? No way! The nonsense has come!!! Particularly, building long-lasting engines will demand long investigation periods, investing lots of money also on that for something really stupid, an F1 car races on a weekend about 300 Km, what for is needed a long-lasting engine??? Are you planning to get into Le Mans? What your team needs is a powerful engine, and not something just long-lasting… I imagine that everybody struggles with this actual engine ban, but promoting a new one would be really stupid. Years of lost development would be recovered within a short period of time to create the new engine specs, and that would even waste much more money than little evolutions race by race. Kotenoks last blog post..<a href="http://f1wolf.ning.com/profile/Jose" rel="nofollow">Jose</a> Huh?¿?¿? Bring them back to the psychiatric hospital!!! Well, that’s conformism because these cars remain slow even with full tank or with a continuous development day by day, just they’re not driven by the right guys… Mr. Coulthard, a full tank could be allowed for running a whole race like a turtle, but I guess Mr. Paletti, Mr. Williamson or someone lucky as Mr. Lauda would like to say that running with a full tank is really unsafe, that’s all I have to mention to it. Smaller tanks were introduced to limit the fuel capacity for safety means, reducing the time considerately which the car could burn to dust and also the thermal energy stored there.

Response to Mr. Gascoyne (loser!). You were sitting in the best teams developing the cars with an enormous budget (did you forget the ages which you spent in Jordan, Renault or Toyoya), and now asking to reduce that efforts??? No way! The nonsense has come!!! Particularly, building long-lasting engines will demand long investigation periods, investing lots of money also on that for something really stupid, an F1 car races on a weekend about 300 Km, what for is needed a long-lasting engine??? Are you planning to get into Le Mans?
What your team needs is a powerful engine, and not something just long-lasting… I imagine that everybody struggles with this actual engine ban, but promoting a new one would be really stupid. Years of lost development would be recovered within a short period of time to create the new engine specs, and that would even waste much more money than little evolutions race by race.

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