Poll – Kovalainen vs Hamilton in Germany – Team orders or not ?

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It looked way too easy when Hamilton passed his team mate after his second pit stop. The presenters at the Star TV studio were rather ironic after the race saying that there are “no team orders in F1″ :-) , the whole bar where I was watching the race was full of boos. So were there team orders or is Hamilton that much better than Kovalainen that he simply made that look that easy ? At the end, it did not take him that long to overtake Felipe Massa …

So were there team orders or not ?



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  1. KotenokNo Gravatar says:

    Well, it didn’t seem just easy against Heikki, it seems to me that it was even easier against Nelsinho and Felipe…

    About team orders? I guess that Heikki even didn’t need to hear any message through radio for understand which is the wish from the staff of the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, so might be there team orders even if the drivers are considered “with completely equality”?… Did Heikki move aside considering that? Did the radio tell some hidden message as team order? My answer is the same: booh!!! Well, for sure he didn’t switch the pit-lane limiter, it would be too dumb!

    I hope somebody value after all that Heikki Kovaleinen does not reveal what happens within McLaren, I think that his kind of loyalty wasn’t seen time ago in Formula 1 (latest example maybe was Rubens Barrichello, but the guy did get really angry in Ferrari).

    About Massa and Piquet I’m really disappointed about their skills to manage pressure and keep cool. They showed a good pace to be in the podium, but none of them did even something to stop Hamilton to advance! I’m sure they’re great drivers to be in F1, but anyway, I doubt that they’re top drivers… And there have been two great Brazilian world champs Fittipaldi and Senna, to whom they can’t compare, they actually lack many skills to be driving for the teams in which they’re working. The pursuit of search stable and notorious good drivers is being hard latest times, there’re lots of interests in secondary things as sponsors and wealth. I keep thinking Massa is brilliant one day and the next one his shine is covered with something smelly, he isn’t at all the kind of Ferrari driver which we have seen during the history of the team, I mean that he is not the driver which suit that place in the mythical Scuderia. Nelson’s shine need to be polished after all, today managed with the proper strategy and part of good luck with the Safety Car to place the R28 in the podium, something which we only could expect in a lucky day for Alonso, but it came for Piquet in a great day for confirm him in the team at least until the season’s end :)

    But I keep thinking that some years more will be needed to find out the next Brazilian promise!!

  2. WennyNo Gravatar says:

    after race …someone one wants to interview him
    he went fast with an angry face said:
    ” no comments about the race , because I can’t race freely”

  3. StewNo Gravatar says:

    This is a tough call. Hamilton was miles faster than Kovalainen (and anyone else) and given the fact that they are team mates, I have to say that team orders or not, the right thing is to let Hamilton by or risk a crash.

    In the end both drivers finishing and giving a chance for the faster to win is the game. :)

    • KotenokNo Gravatar says:

      Well the rules of the game haven’t been ever really clear about team orders and easy overtaking maneuvers. As Stew says, having both drivers within the points is a success for the team and a reason for them to be happy, that’s true!! But I wouldn’t ask personally to Kovalainen if today’s achievement is a kind of personal success, or I would end with a kind of blue eye :P

      It seems to me and to much more people that last year’s story is repeating, but not that scandalous because there isn’t Fernando Alonso anymore, but Heikki Kovalainen, whom, by good character and also by contract, doesn’t regret about the situation still.
      He seems to be not satisfied with the treat in McLarecn, and it’s obvious why!!! I’m not telling he is the second driver of the team, which says there aren’t first or second drivers. As the same Heikki Kovalainen said, he isn’t second driver of nobody for sure! But it’s clear who does Ron Dennis prefer for winning races, this year, last one… And some years before, the anger within the team components was creating such stress which provoked some driver to move to another place. Now, while they seem to “enjoy” good results, also seem to worry too much about what the drivers do and say… Say me, that kind of attitude is joy? It’s just the opposite, they look distressed! Trying to look like never happened such problems before, acting like last year scandals, which F1 supporters won’t forget, don’t mean nothing already and also trying to win the Championship which didn’t win whatever the cost.

      I hope Heikki doesn’t get along with serious talks to his team or open his thoughts to the world press, that situation could destroy his career like happened to some drivers in McLaren before.

  4. WennyNo Gravatar says:

    I can’t get the video.
    I only can get the information is that an interview after the race on the paddock made by Timo Pulkkinen,
    it’s live on finnish television
    and Mclaren did not let Heikki to do any interview to say his press quotes
    explained the earlier comment was just frustration.

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    • KotenokNo Gravatar says:

      Aha, I think that is not that really serious. But Heikki show stress about today’s events.

      By the way, yours is a nice blog :) I liked mostly that it looks funny!! But haven’t any idea about its content, pity that can’t not understand the story about that colorful fountain in Taiwan.

  5. RichNo Gravatar says:

    that was clearly team orders because just before that happened i was telling my dad “it looks like kovalinen is pulling away a little” then as soon as i said that ham slipped right through. and peter windsor was saying he was talking to kovy about hamiltons driving style and kovalinen said it doesnt matter im still quicker. if he really thought he was quicker he wouldnt have let him through unless of course there was team orders.

  6. F1WolfNo Gravatar says:

    here is a Finnish article, you can try to use google to translate it. it mentions that Heikki was angry. It goes a bit agianst Ron Dennis post race claims that his drivers are “super cooperative”


    It is hard to blame McLaren for helping Hamilton to win the race after a) their strategy mess up, b) him being clearly the only one of two drivers who can win title this year. What I do not like are their repeated claims how equal treatment their drivers get while the reality is different.

  7. […] Ferrari fans may have seen some glimmer of hope when Hamilton made his pitstop earlier than Massa, but about a lap later it became clear that both are on pretty much same strategy. At this stage the race was rather dull and boring. But then Timo Glock crashed into the pitwall and safety car was deployed. The moment the pitlane was open most of the cars made their 2nd pit stops but Hamilton surprisingly stayed out on track. This seemed to be a serious tactical mistake that could have handed the win to somebody from competition. Later Ron Dennis admitted that the team simply did not expect the safety car period to last for that long … Once the race restarted Hamilton stepped on the gas to try to build up sufficient lead before his next stop. It did not work … He returned back on track some way back, even behind his team mate Heikki Kovalainen. Speculations whether Heikki would let him pass or not started immediately. It looked for a while that Kovalainen is ready to race and defend his position. If Heikki was ready to let Hamilton go ahead, he could do so already at the pit lane exit. It is hard to say what happened later, but when Hamilton finally managed to overtake Kovalainen at the hairpin it did look like somebody advised Heikki that stepping aside is the right thing to do. To see how F1Wolf readers feel about that, check this post and the poll. […]

  8. Black ZeddNo Gravatar says:

    Team orders may well be out of question. I think it would be foolish if Heiki did not let Hamilton through because he was seriously slower than Hamilton. I mean Lewis managed to overtake 2 cars while Heiki didn’t even get close to the car in front of him.

    Last Sunday was the day Heiki deserved to play second fiddle. He knew that.

    Regarding the comment on equal-treatment, well..another PR bs :)

    Black Zedds last blog post..Fight The Monday Blues. Or Not.

  9. zblkhwkNo Gravatar says:

    It sure looked like team orders. That may be all that matters as McLaren seems to be under severe scrutiny these days. I would not be surprised to see a penalty.

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