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	<title>Comments on: No flag to Raikkonen no penalty to Trulli &#8211; Was that right ?</title>
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		<title>By: 2008 British Formula 1 GP - Wolf’s Race Preview &#124; F1 Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/06/no-flag-to-raikkonen-no-penalty-to-trulli-was-that-right.html/comment-page-1#comment-5809</link>
		<dc:creator>2008 British Formula 1 GP - Wolf’s Race Preview &#124; F1 Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] won here last year and his Ferrari will be fitted with a fresh engine for this race following his troubles in France. Lewis Hamilton claimed pole position at Silverstone in 2007, the race however did not go that well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] won here last year and his Ferrari will be fitted with a fresh engine for this race following his troubles in France. Lewis Hamilton claimed pole position at Silverstone in 2007, the race however did not go that well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AlvinKassim</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlvinKassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wolf,

I agree. It seems the FIA has 2 sets of rules, one for McLaren and the other for Ferrari (and to a certain extent other teams as well). There are so many examples over the years especially when it comes to Ferrari. To me, Ferrari is so dominant sometimes because of outside help. It just makes F1 sick by not being able to enjoy seeing the best man and team win on the track, instead it has outside help.

Alvin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wolf,</p>
<p>I agree. It seems the FIA has 2 sets of rules, one for McLaren and the other for Ferrari (and to a certain extent other teams as well). There are so many examples over the years especially when it comes to Ferrari. To me, Ferrari is so dominant sometimes because of outside help. It just makes F1 sick by not being able to enjoy seeing the best man and team win on the track, instead it has outside help.</p>
<p>Alvin</p>
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		<title>By: zblkhwk</title>
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		<dc:creator>zblkhwk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, if we do not allow aggressive driving and protection of your place, especially on the final lap, then whats the point of racing.  His move risked his position as much as Hiekki&#039;s, thats racing.  Well done Trulli!

How many times have we seen loose brake lights, loose front wings, etc... without a forced stop or black flag.  I do think Ferrari gets special treatment, but the precident was set with the prior events.  How could they rule otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, if we do not allow aggressive driving and protection of your place, especially on the final lap, then whats the point of racing.  His move risked his position as much as Hiekki&#8217;s, thats racing.  Well done Trulli!</p>
<p>How many times have we seen loose brake lights, loose front wings, etc&#8230; without a forced stop or black flag.  I do think Ferrari gets special treatment, but the precident was set with the prior events.  How could they rule otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Kotenok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kotenok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA I&#039;m still a marshal, but wait, someday I&#039;ll be!! :) But I alrady got apointment for next exams which will give me more category ;) Will be teaching more specified material about open wheel races and I rally wanna get into the rules management :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA I&#8217;m still a marshal, but wait, someday I&#8217;ll be!! <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But I alrady got apointment for next exams which will give me more category <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Will be teaching more specified material about open wheel races and I rally wanna get into the rules management <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: F1Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>F1Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost forgot we have a race steward here :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost forgot we have a race steward here <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kotenok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kotenok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m nobody to complaina bout the steards, I know they perform their work quite &quot;well and acurate&quot;. But I would like to again be giving alarm for the marshals behaviour, again too slowly or lazy (for sure things weren&#039;t controlled well by their control chief). I saw many mistakes in showing the flags on time and the most amazing is to leave the end plate from the rear-wing of Bourdais car after it splited away. Well, seems the people in Magny-Cours Circuit already had ready the documents to go for their pensions... As no more races will be done there for several years, and if keep that so, for many more.

The incident with the Ferrari was not usual, I never saw before that an exhaust joint just melted and broke, I would say this happens a single time in 500 races, because the motor parts are really well fixed. What about not showing him the black flag with orange dot, well that was strange and more than curious when you hear that Ferrari believes the exhaust remainings will just jump away in any moment. That&#039;s work of stewards, marshals and their cheaifs don&#039;t take any decission about it except noticing the problem and advising the race control (and always the TV broadband is there for it).
So Kimi should have seen that flag once the marshals just noticed there was something hanging there and provoking danger to the public and race competitors. They surely didn&#039;t advice of that situation... It&#039;s really strange to be about running 20 laps with a problem, and suddenly see that flag, what about the 20 laps before? Didn&#039;t have a problem then??? Just the race conrol didn&#039;t know about it at the right moment.

About Trulli&#039;s closing the door, well it is allowed while the other car didn&#039;t pass yours, so this is a legal defending movement. Anyway, I don&#039;t think Trulli atacked in a desperate way, he was aproaching a very fast corner and another car comes besides not allowing you to catch the propper race line, one thing you try to get the race line before or second thing is you slow down. Did Heikki do that? Did Trulli do that Also? Both did the same, even if looks like Jarno comes closer and closer, and seems they touch each other, to that&#039;s clearly not a dirty movement of Jarno Trulli, it looks more like he needs to get wide to catch the corner without crashing both cars in it. Bacause the sudden movement isn&#039;t left, it is to right giving Kovalainen space, I think Jarno believed that Heikki was going to spoil both race then.
Looking Kovalainen now, ne did miss the turn so he was too fast, almost touched the grass on the battle and that could be race end for both drivers being so close. He did manage to sneak on the left side of the Toyota while it was getting the race line, and then find himself closed by the grass lesft, the Toyota at the right side and the end of the straight in front. So just passed cutting the corner, there was no other way.

I would say that&#039;s a battle, and not a meaning of investigation, Jarno clearly gives space to Heikki when they&#039;re in the corner&#039;s entry and Heikki just missed the corner because was too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m nobody to complaina bout the steards, I know they perform their work quite &#8220;well and acurate&#8221;. But I would like to again be giving alarm for the marshals behaviour, again too slowly or lazy (for sure things weren&#8217;t controlled well by their control chief). I saw many mistakes in showing the flags on time and the most amazing is to leave the end plate from the rear-wing of Bourdais car after it splited away. Well, seems the people in Magny-Cours Circuit already had ready the documents to go for their pensions&#8230; As no more races will be done there for several years, and if keep that so, for many more.</p>
<p>The incident with the Ferrari was not usual, I never saw before that an exhaust joint just melted and broke, I would say this happens a single time in 500 races, because the motor parts are really well fixed. What about not showing him the black flag with orange dot, well that was strange and more than curious when you hear that Ferrari believes the exhaust remainings will just jump away in any moment. That&#8217;s work of stewards, marshals and their cheaifs don&#8217;t take any decission about it except noticing the problem and advising the race control (and always the TV broadband is there for it).<br />
So Kimi should have seen that flag once the marshals just noticed there was something hanging there and provoking danger to the public and race competitors. They surely didn&#8217;t advice of that situation&#8230; It&#8217;s really strange to be about running 20 laps with a problem, and suddenly see that flag, what about the 20 laps before? Didn&#8217;t have a problem then??? Just the race conrol didn&#8217;t know about it at the right moment.</p>
<p>About Trulli&#8217;s closing the door, well it is allowed while the other car didn&#8217;t pass yours, so this is a legal defending movement. Anyway, I don&#8217;t think Trulli atacked in a desperate way, he was aproaching a very fast corner and another car comes besides not allowing you to catch the propper race line, one thing you try to get the race line before or second thing is you slow down. Did Heikki do that? Did Trulli do that Also? Both did the same, even if looks like Jarno comes closer and closer, and seems they touch each other, to that&#8217;s clearly not a dirty movement of Jarno Trulli, it looks more like he needs to get wide to catch the corner without crashing both cars in it. Bacause the sudden movement isn&#8217;t left, it is to right giving Kovalainen space, I think Jarno believed that Heikki was going to spoil both race then.<br />
Looking Kovalainen now, ne did miss the turn so he was too fast, almost touched the grass on the battle and that could be race end for both drivers being so close. He did manage to sneak on the left side of the Toyota while it was getting the race line, and then find himself closed by the grass lesft, the Toyota at the right side and the end of the straight in front. So just passed cutting the corner, there was no other way.</p>
<p>I would say that&#8217;s a battle, and not a meaning of investigation, Jarno clearly gives space to Heikki when they&#8217;re in the corner&#8217;s entry and Heikki just missed the corner because was too fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Are McLaren hard done ? Seems to be so, here is the proof &#124; F1 Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are McLaren hard done ? Seems to be so, here is the proof &#124; F1 Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The events of last weekend in France brought out suggestions someone is out there to get McLaren. On one hand string of penalties to Hamilton and Kovalainen on the other hand not even an investigation into Trulli&#8217;s defending 3rd position from Heikki, no action taken ag.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The events of last weekend in France brought out suggestions someone is out there to get McLaren. On one hand string of penalties to Hamilton and Kovalainen on the other hand not even an investigation into Trulli&#8217;s defending 3rd position from Heikki, no action taken ag&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paranoia over penalties &#187; vee8 - a Formula 1 blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paranoia over penalties &#187; vee8 - a Formula 1 blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it is true &#8212; as Clive and Milos have both noted &#8212; that arguable two other drivers should have been given penalties in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: F1Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>F1Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the bulls eye here about Trulli</description>
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		<title>By: Josh J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey wolf, I have to agree with you wholeheartedly. the fact that nothing was done to the ferrari was shocking - not least of all after it came in for the pit stop. For those of us most liable to conspiracy theories, you would have thought that at least the FIA would have made sure that ferrari removed the piece at the pitstop. And for Ferrari to admit to the fact that they knew about it, but chose not to do anything for the sake of a few seconds is inexcusable. if that had hit someone it could have killed someone.

As for truli, regardless of whether or not he actually touched wheels, he definitely made a very definite &quot;jerk&quot; out towards kovy as kovy was in the process of actually overtaking him. Personally i don;t think that was hard racing - I see no difference between that and brake-testing someone. If it had been schumi - people would have been up in arms, but because it was poor old truli (who got well and truly stitched up here a few years ago -  which subsequently led to him being dropped by renault - quite rightly in my opinion!), and because it&#039;s very good for F1 for toyota to finally get a podium, and incidentally because god forbid the FIA give a ruling in favour of Mclaren, Truli gets no penalty. I thought it was a really nasty little move, he thought it was something he could get away with, and he did - which to me makes it all the worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey wolf, I have to agree with you wholeheartedly. the fact that nothing was done to the ferrari was shocking &#8211; not least of all after it came in for the pit stop. For those of us most liable to conspiracy theories, you would have thought that at least the FIA would have made sure that ferrari removed the piece at the pitstop. And for Ferrari to admit to the fact that they knew about it, but chose not to do anything for the sake of a few seconds is inexcusable. if that had hit someone it could have killed someone.</p>
<p>As for truli, regardless of whether or not he actually touched wheels, he definitely made a very definite &#8220;jerk&#8221; out towards kovy as kovy was in the process of actually overtaking him. Personally i don;t think that was hard racing &#8211; I see no difference between that and brake-testing someone. If it had been schumi &#8211; people would have been up in arms, but because it was poor old truli (who got well and truly stitched up here a few years ago &#8211;  which subsequently led to him being dropped by renault &#8211; quite rightly in my opinion!), and because it&#8217;s very good for F1 for toyota to finally get a podium, and incidentally because god forbid the FIA give a ruling in favour of Mclaren, Truli gets no penalty. I thought it was a really nasty little move, he thought it was something he could get away with, and he did &#8211; which to me makes it all the worse.</p>
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