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	<title>Comments on: Formula 1 &#8211; Less greed and more fresh thinking</title>
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		<title>By: F1Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2566</link>
		<dc:creator>F1Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometime companies come with new stuff earlier than the world is ready for it. but that does not mean the idea or project is wrong. it might be it is just few years ahead of its time. these days the premium channel would be much cheaper to set up and distribute that few years back. and  if they are worried, they can test it first through internet. one example - the Champions League Football. Here in Hong Kong we have at the same time 4 matches live on 4 different channels on cable. But you can buy a package for very decent price that allows you to watch any game live online and replay it. This is great especially for the group matches and for the fans following some of the lesser teams. the feed is there, juts someone found a way how to made it available to viewevers.

when you are on a race track, the whole practise sessions are live on the screens, with commentary. how many TV channels actually broadcast it live around the world ? sure there may not be enough audience to justify the TV time, but there sure would be enough fans tuning to Formula 1 website watching. just see how many formums have &quot;Free practice threads&quot; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometime companies come with new stuff earlier than the world is ready for it. but that does not mean the idea or project is wrong. it might be it is just few years ahead of its time. these days the premium channel would be much cheaper to set up and distribute that few years back. and  if they are worried, they can test it first through internet. one example &#8211; the Champions League Football. Here in Hong Kong we have at the same time 4 matches live on 4 different channels on cable. But you can buy a package for very decent price that allows you to watch any game live online and replay it. This is great especially for the group matches and for the fans following some of the lesser teams. the feed is there, juts someone found a way how to made it available to viewevers.</p>
<p>when you are on a race track, the whole practise sessions are live on the screens, with commentary. how many TV channels actually broadcast it live around the world ? sure there may not be enough audience to justify the TV time, but there sure would be enough fans tuning to Formula 1 website watching. just see how many formums have &#8220;Free practice threads&#8221; &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Black Zedd</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2565</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Zedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great conversation :) Yeah I agree with the pricing part, they&#039;ve put a great limit on the demand side by charging exorbitant amount for...everything!

100 people  spending $5 is a lot better than 5 people spending $50..

&lt;em&gt;Black Zedd&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blackzedd/~3/238734347/how-to-not-get-promotion.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How To Not Get A Promotion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great conversation <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yeah I agree with the pricing part, they&#8217;ve put a great limit on the demand side by charging exorbitant amount for&#8230;everything!</p>
<p>100 people  spending $5 is a lot better than 5 people spending $50..</p>
<p><em>Black Zedd&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blackzedd/~3/238734347/how-to-not-get-promotion.html' rel="nofollow">How To Not Get A Promotion</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2561</link>
		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the first time either that they haven&#039;t really understood the capabiltites of the Internet.A few years back now but they were really reluctant to even allow a internet F1 site.

Gale Force F1 were quite ahead of their time when they set up in 1995 with live timing and race results data.However ,the FIA made it difficult for them by denying one of the authors there any press accreditation (weren&#039;t interested in the internet) and then subsequently claiming copyright infringement by having &quot;F1&quot; or the like in their domain name. 

They did have a premium F1 pay TV channel over here in the UK a few years ago where you could choose all sorts of angles on the action and have telemetry.It flopped quite badly though and I don&#039;t think Bernie would repeat that venture anytime soon.

&lt;em&gt;francois&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://tourmaline07.exofire.net/2008/01/25/x10-troubles/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;X10 troubles…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the first time either that they haven&#8217;t really understood the capabiltites of the Internet.A few years back now but they were really reluctant to even allow a internet F1 site.</p>
<p>Gale Force F1 were quite ahead of their time when they set up in 1995 with live timing and race results data.However ,the FIA made it difficult for them by denying one of the authors there any press accreditation (weren&#8217;t interested in the internet) and then subsequently claiming copyright infringement by having &#8220;F1&#8243; or the like in their domain name. </p>
<p>They did have a premium F1 pay TV channel over here in the UK a few years ago where you could choose all sorts of angles on the action and have telemetry.It flopped quite badly though and I don&#8217;t think Bernie would repeat that venture anytime soon.</p>
<p><em>francois&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://tourmaline07.exofire.net/2008/01/25/x10-troubles/' rel="nofollow">X10 troubles…</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: F1 Betting</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2558</link>
		<dc:creator>F1 Betting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great rant that! but lots of good points and I wholeheartedly agree about F1 needing to expand its image and &#039;brand&#039; better. The TV coverage point you make is interesting and I&#039;m surprised that with the digital technology available that there isn&#039;t more of an interactive way of watching races these days compared to what other sports on TV do. F1 would be the perfect sport to experiment with different coverage, angles etc available to the viewer but it seems coverage is stuck in a bit of a time-warp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great rant that! but lots of good points and I wholeheartedly agree about F1 needing to expand its image and &#8216;brand&#8217; better. The TV coverage point you make is interesting and I&#8217;m surprised that with the digital technology available that there isn&#8217;t more of an interactive way of watching races these days compared to what other sports on TV do. F1 would be the perfect sport to experiment with different coverage, angles etc available to the viewer but it seems coverage is stuck in a bit of a time-warp.</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2556</link>
		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well a lot of fresh insights! especially about the web, if only they start listening earlier than latter...

&lt;em&gt;raj&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GoForceIndia/~3/241312824/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hamilton quicker than Schumacher&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well a lot of fresh insights! especially about the web, if only they start listening earlier than latter&#8230;</p>
<p><em>raj&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GoForceIndia/~3/241312824/' rel="nofollow">Hamilton quicker than Schumacher</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brunell</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2555</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brunell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F1 Minute... I am assuming Christine or me...

Here is what I know and how I got to know it in this, warning it a little bit of story...

I was up in Seattle covering a regional software convention a few years back (I think 2003-4ish) writing a story for our state chamber magazine that I help put together.

It was one of those typical meet, greet, and drink sort of functions. EA used to have an office near Seattle, so some of reps and software people were there. I went up to them initially to try to get them to join our chamber. However our conversation drifted towards their games. I mentioned that I really missed their F1 game.  

One of them responded in a smart ass sort of way, &quot;yeah we don&#039;t.&quot; They went on how they and the developers they contracted (Image Space out of Michigan ((the same people who do rFactor)) and some place out of England) had a rough go at producing a F1 game.

I know this four years ago and from a couple of their staff in not related to the actual F1 games, but what they said back some general statements, but fit in pretty well knowing the FIA, FOA, and FOM management style:

1: The usage agreement (the guidelines that companies, in this case sporting bodies, give for logo usage and other copyright material within a media such as a video game) were some of the harshest  of all the sports governing bodies they dealt with.

2: In this same regard, the F1 people (according to them) were really hard to work with, controlling and demanding that it was their way on how their sport was portrayed.

3: The cost of the exclusive contract they had with F1 was excessive and the production costs really didn&#039;t make the game appealing enough for EA management to continue or to fight for the bid against Sony. I don&#039;t know if this was sour grapes from losing the agreement to Sony, but they sounded pretty disgusted how things went.

I think it is stupid for the FIA, FOA, and FOM to think this way. Why create a barrier to something that will help expand the base and exposure of F1? The NBA and MLB have multiple games out? Look what the Madden games did for the NFL? It absolutely insane. I&#039;ll stop before I get even more frustrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F1 Minute&#8230; I am assuming Christine or me&#8230;</p>
<p>Here is what I know and how I got to know it in this, warning it a little bit of story&#8230;</p>
<p>I was up in Seattle covering a regional software convention a few years back (I think 2003-4ish) writing a story for our state chamber magazine that I help put together.</p>
<p>It was one of those typical meet, greet, and drink sort of functions. EA used to have an office near Seattle, so some of reps and software people were there. I went up to them initially to try to get them to join our chamber. However our conversation drifted towards their games. I mentioned that I really missed their F1 game.  </p>
<p>One of them responded in a smart ass sort of way, &#8220;yeah we don&#8217;t.&#8221; They went on how they and the developers they contracted (Image Space out of Michigan ((the same people who do rFactor)) and some place out of England) had a rough go at producing a F1 game.</p>
<p>I know this four years ago and from a couple of their staff in not related to the actual F1 games, but what they said back some general statements, but fit in pretty well knowing the FIA, FOA, and FOM management style:</p>
<p>1: The usage agreement (the guidelines that companies, in this case sporting bodies, give for logo usage and other copyright material within a media such as a video game) were some of the harshest  of all the sports governing bodies they dealt with.</p>
<p>2: In this same regard, the F1 people (according to them) were really hard to work with, controlling and demanding that it was their way on how their sport was portrayed.</p>
<p>3: The cost of the exclusive contract they had with F1 was excessive and the production costs really didn&#8217;t make the game appealing enough for EA management to continue or to fight for the bid against Sony. I don&#8217;t know if this was sour grapes from losing the agreement to Sony, but they sounded pretty disgusted how things went.</p>
<p>I think it is stupid for the FIA, FOA, and FOM to think this way. Why create a barrier to something that will help expand the base and exposure of F1? The NBA and MLB have multiple games out? Look what the Madden games did for the NFL? It absolutely insane. I&#8217;ll stop before I get even more frustrated.</p>
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		<title>By: F1Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>F1Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the EA insight. Did not even think about game ...

Pinacle of technology - 5 year engine freeze, restrictions on materials, restrictions on everything :-) and as it looks also restrictions on F1 management brain capacity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the EA insight. Did not even think about game &#8230;</p>
<p>Pinacle of technology &#8211; 5 year engine freeze, restrictions on materials, restrictions on everything <img src='http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and as it looks also restrictions on F1 management brain capacity</p>
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		<title>By: F1Minute.com</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2552</link>
		<dc:creator>F1Minute.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your third fresh thinking suggestion is the one that really matters.

F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of technology, yet the people in charge can barely use a photocopier.

So many other series are doing it better, when will the official F1 website catch up?

&lt;em&gt;F1Minute.com&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.f1minute.com/2008/02/25/24-feb-08-hamilton-leads-the-way-at-final-test/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;24-Feb-08: Hamilton Leads the Way at Final Test&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your third fresh thinking suggestion is the one that really matters.</p>
<p>F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of technology, yet the people in charge can barely use a photocopier.</p>
<p>So many other series are doing it better, when will the official F1 website catch up?</p>
<p><em>F1Minute.com&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.f1minute.com/2008/02/25/24-feb-08-hamilton-leads-the-way-at-final-test/' rel="nofollow">24-Feb-08: Hamilton Leads the Way at Final Test</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: sidepodcast</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>sidepodcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;from what some of the former programmers at EA told me, Formula One was the worse sport organization to work with by far…&quot;

oooh, didn&#039;t know that.  do you have any more info on this?  be interesting to know what sort of things they had issues with.

&lt;em&gt;sidepodcast&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/02/24/episode-53-theyve-got-the-drivers-theyve-got-the-money-what-can-go-wrong/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Episode 53 - They’ve Got the Drivers, They’ve Got the Money, What Can Go Wrong?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;from what some of the former programmers at EA told me, Formula One was the worse sport organization to work with by far…&#8221;</p>
<p>oooh, didn&#8217;t know that.  do you have any more info on this?  be interesting to know what sort of things they had issues with.</p>
<p><em>sidepodcast&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/02/24/episode-53-theyve-got-the-drivers-theyve-got-the-money-what-can-go-wrong/' rel="nofollow">Episode 53 &#8211; They’ve Got the Drivers, They’ve Got the Money, What Can Go Wrong?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brunell</title>
		<link>http://www.f1wolf.com/2008/02/formula-1-less-greed-and-more-fresh-thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brunell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for picking up on this...

Something else I would suggest for the CVC group is to be more liberal with their licensing  rights.. or at least lower the cost, the hassle, and get rid of exclusive rights for things.

For example, EA would really love to do a proper full on F1 game again. Matter in fact, I believe they already sign Lewis Hamilton to be the cover boy and market it. However, since the FIA, FOM, and FOA believe in &quot;exclusive rights&quot; EA has to wait till Sony contract runs out and then they would have to bid on it. 

On top of this, from what some of the former programmers at EA told me, Formula One was the worse sport organization to work with by far... they wouldn&#039;t allow many features that you would see in normal games like create a car, diver, or team. Plus they were such as stickler for things, it drove the development team crazy.

This is just one of many examples. If they would stop being a stick in the mud about these sort of things, more people would be exposed to the sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for picking up on this&#8230;</p>
<p>Something else I would suggest for the CVC group is to be more liberal with their licensing  rights.. or at least lower the cost, the hassle, and get rid of exclusive rights for things.</p>
<p>For example, EA would really love to do a proper full on F1 game again. Matter in fact, I believe they already sign Lewis Hamilton to be the cover boy and market it. However, since the FIA, FOM, and FOA believe in &#8220;exclusive rights&#8221; EA has to wait till Sony contract runs out and then they would have to bid on it. </p>
<p>On top of this, from what some of the former programmers at EA told me, Formula One was the worse sport organization to work with by far&#8230; they wouldn&#8217;t allow many features that you would see in normal games like create a car, diver, or team. Plus they were such as stickler for things, it drove the development team crazy.</p>
<p>This is just one of many examples. If they would stop being a stick in the mud about these sort of things, more people would be exposed to the sport.</p>
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